Sorry, meant to reply earlier. I'd disagree. "Flop" is frequently used by anti-fanbois to denigrate something they decided not to like: Because it wasn't financially successful, therefore their condemning of it was always right because no-one else liked it. It has negative connotations beyond not making as much money as expected.

A flop is when a movie brought in less money than the production,distribution and advertisement etc costs a fair assessment of the ACTUAL costs is to double the reported production budget .And since movies nowadays are increasingly less long available in theaters the openings weekend becomes increasingly more important and when a movie nowadays doesn't bring in the projected openings weekend take it's usually considered a flop or at least under performing.Taking that into account it means Tenet lost around 50 million (revenue(360 million)- production+distribution+promotion+etc costs(2x205 million)=-50 million) and Wonder Woman 1984 (150 million- 2x200 million = -250 million) so WW 1984 lost around 250 million.And we also have to take into account that theaters also take a percentage of the total World gross (20-30 % in the US 40-60% abroad).

Yeah, that's what I was getting at in my first post. However I wasn't going to respond further as we'd veered into the rather pointless territory of debating whether you can flip semantics based upon current circumstances.

I'd agree that "flop" does give negative connotations. However me saying I'd be a billionaire if it wasn't for the current circumstances of my bank balance doesn't allow me go out and buy a yacht...

@Nexus71 said:

It's a flop it managed to bring in only $ 3 million worldwide last week.

Well, it would have flopped financially even if it had been good since nearly all theaters are closed.

@tlm550 said:

@Nexus71 said:

It's a flop it managed to bring in only $ 3 million worldwide last week.

Well, it would have flopped financially even if it had been good since nearly all theaters are closed.

That was the point in a previous post I made that considering that theaters are closed or run on limited capacity movies with production budgets over 100-150 million will likely be financial failures considering a large part of the profits were made in the theaters add to that the costs of promotion distribution etc which doubles the initial production budget you won't be seeing much or any movies earning anywhere near the 1 billion mark for the next couple of years and than we haven't discussed the fact that studios are alienating themselves from their target audience by the insistent and very obvious virtue signaling in their A list movies.

@Damienracer said:

@chessu said:

I've just been to the cinema to see it (local opening night, no official lockdowns, but numbers climbing) and they were pretty bare. Granted, I'm not in a country where people would storm the cinemas for a superhero opening night anyway not is it a big streaming country, but my screen only had 7 people! As did many other screenings/cinemas I checked when choosing my slot. Simultaneous launches are probably the best way to go at the moment - both for the production company as well as the Covid situation, though, yes, cinemas are clearly drawing the short end of the stick with this. I don't think the cinemas will disappear entirely, though some may go under and I would be more than happy to see a change and the cinemas to work for their audience by adjusting their prices and screen quality. My nearest cinema in the UK (not where I am now), while does have refurbed screens at least, charges about £10+ for one ticket, and then probably around £20 for a popcorn and two non-alcoholic drinks. A date night for two will easily cost you £40-£50, which can be entire day's wages for someone. I absolutely love the big screen experience, but I also refuse to be robbed. The business model needs an update.

If you were living in Drakostan then I'd find the idea of your country not being into streaming more believable.

Sorry, this is literally two years later! :D But, no I am not from Drakostan. Just a very small country of a million people and our own language, so most streaming companies don't bother with us. To my knowledge we literally only have Netflix and compared to the UK, the selection is bare. And then I think some TV network providers are in cahoots with certain shows or streamers, so e.g. you can only get some HBO content with a specific provider, but not the other, and you also can't pay for it standalone. To be honest, I don't know how or what people watch nowadays, but when I was young 10 years ago - DVDs were still a thing, streaming was not - we all learned to torrent because it took too long for channels to buy new seasons in. I don't know if people have just continued to torrent, or found 'non-branded' streaming sites or VPN or what, but it's definitely not a one-stop sign up process even today.