by knixon:

I omit the transporter because I suspect that it might actually be possible to do something like that, although probably always with a receiving mechanism as well, but it would be a case of destroying the original and creating a copy. And if people are stupid enough to do that, fine. I'm not. But I don't think that makes it necessarily impossible

It would be handy to transport objects quickly across the globe as long as the copy is perfect.

I don't think there will be able to build a food replicator that can replica real food, not synthetic shit.

Artificial gravity .. I think that will be a hard one to overcome. Elon Musk said that's one of the biggest issues they have with sending astronauts to Mars. Being so long without gravity is an issue for their health.

@sunshine62 said:

by knixon:

I omit the transporter because I suspect that it might actually be possible to do something like that, although probably always with a receiving mechanism as well, but it would be a case of destroying the original and creating a copy. And if people are stupid enough to do that, fine. I'm not. But I don't think that makes it necessarily impossible

It would be handy to transport objects quickly across the globe as long as the copy is perfect.

I don't think there will be able to build a food replicator that can replica real food, not synthetic shit.

The replicator seems rather tied to the same kind of technology as a transporter. Although in some ways I can see how transporter might come first. But if a replicator isn't actually creating matter from energy - which would mean reversing the e=mc2 formula, requiring IMMENSE quantities of energy to produce a tiny amount of matter - but rather "re-configuring" existing matter, that doesn't have the same energy demands.

Artificial gravity .. I think that will be a hard one to overcome. Elon Musk said that's one of the biggest issues they have with sending astronauts to Mars. Being so long without gravity is an issue for their health.

Yes, seems like any kind of Mars mission would require a ship with some kind of rotation or rotating sections, to cover that. I can see some kind of artificial gravity being possible in the future, the main problem could be the issue of nearness to the generating mechanism and the variation of the force over a relatively short distance. Gravity seems very consistent on the Earth's surface, since the variation in distance from the center is very small. But if your feet are experiencing 1G while it's maybe .2G at your head... that can be difficult.

by knixon:

The replicator seems rather tied to the same kind of technology as a transporter. Although in some ways I can see how transporter might come first. But if a replicator isn't actually creating matter from energy - which would mean reversing the e=mc2 formula, requiring IMMENSE quantities of energy to produce a tiny amount of matter - but rather "re-configuring" existing matter, that doesn't have the same energy demands

Yes I agree, one thing is the re-configuration of existing matter, and another having to create it.

Yes, seems like any kind of Mars mission would require a ship with some kind of rotation or rotating sections, to cover that. I can see some kind of artificial gravity being possible in the future, the main problem could be the issue of nearness to the generating mechanism and the variation of the force over a relatively short distance. Gravity seems very consistent on the Earth's surface, since the variation in distance from the center is very small. But if your feet are experiencing 1G while it's maybe .2G at your head... that can be difficult.

I thought highly of Elon Musk when I started to follow him and his projects about three years ago. But I have a different opinion now ...Telsa is not as clean as Musk tires to make it sound. The batteries to work need cobalt which comes mainly from the mines in the Republic of Congo. There are no safety measures in these mines which are disastrous for the environment and also involve intensive child labour.

People are developing serious health issues, and babies are being born with defects. I guess their lives don't matter.

The nickel instead comes from Indonesia ..here also entire communities are being destroyed due to the mines causing landslides, death, polluting rivers etc.

Companies that rent cars, every three years have to get new ones but no one wants a second-hand electric car so we are left with thousands of cars that are piling up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JcJ8me22NVs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ipOeH7GW0M8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0nLCENfWfAg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNVwomMO7xY

I have lost faith in Elon Musk. Even his project to go to Mars doesn't seem so enticing anymore to me. Billions spent on it could go to better use here on our home planet.

Very likely nobody would be bothering with electric cars if not for government subsidies, so better to get mad at them. Also, the metals could be processed safely, and here, without government interference. So again, not really Musk's fault.

On the other side, the billions spent on space research etc - which greatly benefits everyone through new technology etc - should be of concern to nobody if they're private; and if they're tax money etc, recognize that it's a pittance of the overall budget. Bill De Blasio's wife made almost $1 Billion in mental health funding disappear, all by herself. "Wasting" money on space is not something anyone should be seriously concerned with.

@Knixon said:

It seems to me that most of the "impossible" things in Star Trek - all the shows, movies, etc - are solvable with adequate energy, technology, etc.

The things I think are likely unsolvable even with advanced technology - and a whole lot of energy, are:

...

Humans producing children with alien species, such as Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans... Of course, much of this "theorizing" in Star Trek simply comes from the reality that most "aliens" depicted in sci-fi are simply humans wearing makeup. Actual alien life likely to be far more different. But even if bipedal-type life is discovered on other planets, the chances seem vanishingly small that humans could successfully... "interact"... with them, in that way. Humans are genetically far more similar to other forms of life on Earth, than they are likely to be with any extraterrestrial life; and yet, humans cannot reproduce with any other life form on Earth.

...

Thoughts?

"An Earth-Vulcan conception will abort during the end of the first month. The fetus is unable to continue life once it begins to develop its primary organs. The fetus Spock was removed from Amanda’s body at this time…His tiny form resided in a test tube for the following two Earth months while our physicians performed delicate chemical engineering, introducing over a hundred subtle changes we hoped would sustain life. At the end of this time, the fetus was returned to Amanda’s womb. At the ninth Earth month, the tiny form was again removed from Amanda, prematurely by Vulcan standards, and spent the following 4 months of Vulcan term pregnancy in a specially designed incubator."

— Sarek

By knixon:

Very likely nobody would be bothering with electric cars if not for government subsidies, so better to get mad at them. Also, the metals could be processed safely, and here, without government interference. So again, not really Musk's fault

No, I m pissed off with Musk who goes around lying and saying that electric cars are clean, when in truth to provide the cobalt and nickel needed for rechargeable batteries, vast environments are being destroyed, the people living and working in these mines are dying due to the pollution because there are no health or safety measures implemented, and children labour is staggering in the mines in the Congo.

I see you purposely didn’t mention all the death and destruction behind the electric car industry seen in the videos I provided...

....clearly, you don’t care cause it's happening on the other side of the globe and it’s not American lives that are dying.

@wonder2wonder said:

@Knixon said:

It seems to me that most of the "impossible" things in Star Trek - all the shows, movies, etc - are solvable with adequate energy, technology, etc.

The things I think are likely unsolvable even with advanced technology - and a whole lot of energy, are:

...

Humans producing children with alien species, such as Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans... Of course, much of this "theorizing" in Star Trek simply comes from the reality that most "aliens" depicted in sci-fi are simply humans wearing makeup. Actual alien life likely to be far more different. But even if bipedal-type life is discovered on other planets, the chances seem vanishingly small that humans could successfully... "interact"... with them, in that way. Humans are genetically far more similar to other forms of life on Earth, than they are likely to be with any extraterrestrial life; and yet, humans cannot reproduce with any other life form on Earth.

...

Thoughts?

"An Earth-Vulcan conception will abort during the end of the first month. The fetus is unable to continue life once it begins to develop its primary organs. The fetus Spock was removed from Amanda’s body at this time…His tiny form resided in a test tube for the following two Earth months while our physicians performed delicate chemical engineering, introducing over a hundred subtle changes we hoped would sustain life. At the end of this time, the fetus was returned to Amanda’s womb. At the ninth Earth month, the tiny form was again removed from Amanda, prematurely by Vulcan standards, and spent the following 4 months of Vulcan term pregnancy in a specially designed incubator."

— Sarek

What's that from "Discovery" or some other BS? We know from movie 5 that Amanda gave birth to Spock without an incubator etc.

@sunshine62 said:

By knixon:

Very likely nobody would be bothering with electric cars if not for government subsidies, so better to get mad at them. Also, the metals could be processed safely, and here, without government interference. So again, not really Musk's fault

No, I m pissed off with Musk who goes around lying and saying that electric cars are clean, when in truth to provide the cobalt and nickel needed for rechargeable batteries, vast environments are being destroyed, the people living and working in these mines are dying due to the pollution because there are no health or safety measures implemented, and children labour is staggering in the mines in the Congo.

I see you purposely didn’t mention all the death and destruction behind the electric car industry seen in the videos I provided...

....clearly, you don’t care cause it's happening on the other side of the globe and it’s not American lives that are dying.

That's not it at all. The point is that it's not happening because of some inherent problem with electric vehicles, nothing really to do with Elon Musk. It's happening because of US and state government regulation, minimum-wage laws, etc. Ford, GM, and the other EV makers aren't getting their lithium, cobalt, etc from union-operated US mines.

@Knixon said:

@wonder2wonder said:

@Knixon said:

It seems to me that most of the "impossible" things in Star Trek - all the shows, movies, etc - are solvable with adequate energy, technology, etc.

The things I think are likely unsolvable even with advanced technology - and a whole lot of energy, are:

...

Humans producing children with alien species, such as Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans... Of course, much of this "theorizing" in Star Trek simply comes from the reality that most "aliens" depicted in sci-fi are simply humans wearing makeup. Actual alien life likely to be far more different. But even if bipedal-type life is discovered on other planets, the chances seem vanishingly small that humans could successfully... "interact"... with them, in that way. Humans are genetically far more similar to other forms of life on Earth, than they are likely to be with any extraterrestrial life; and yet, humans cannot reproduce with any other life form on Earth.

...

Thoughts?

"An Earth-Vulcan conception will abort during the end of the first month. The fetus is unable to continue life once it begins to develop its primary organs. The fetus Spock was removed from Amanda’s body at this time…His tiny form resided in a test tube for the following two Earth months while our physicians performed delicate chemical engineering, introducing over a hundred subtle changes we hoped would sustain life. At the end of this time, the fetus was returned to Amanda’s womb. At the ninth Earth month, the tiny form was again removed from Amanda, prematurely by Vulcan standards, and spent the following 4 months of Vulcan term pregnancy in a specially designed incubator."

— Sarek

What's that from "Discovery" or some other BS? We know from movie 5 that Amanda gave birth to Spock without an incubator etc.

No, that is from A chat with Gene Roddenberry and Ambassador Sarek, portrayed by Mark Lenard. From the 1976 Columbia Records album "Inside Star Trek".

Hmm, well, I would still have to take the movie as canon over that.

Especially since Gene Roddenberry would necessarily be long dead well before Ambassador Sarek was even a gleam in his also-not-alive-yet father's eye.

@Knixon said:

Hmm, well, I would still have to take the movie as canon over that.

Especially since Gene Roddenberry would necessarily be long dead well before Ambassador Sarek was even a gleam in his also-not-alive-yet father's eye.

Well, what Sarek said then is what I believe. Later in the movie, when Spock's birth was shown, I thought that was the scene, after all the medical procedures, of the ninth Earth month. Of course that birth could have only been in Spock's mind, that was manipulated by Sybok. What is not shown is what happened after his 'human' birth, when he was put in a special incubator for four months of Vulcan term pregnancy.

I don't believe that, just because all humanoid life in the galaxy shares a common ancestor, interbreeding is that easy, without the necessity of special medical procedures.

But right in that "speech" it says the baby was REMOVED after 9 months, "premature" by Vulcan standards.

And let's remember, not only did Humans and Vulcans supposedly interbreed in Trekverse, but so did Humans and Romulans, Humans and Klingons, Reptilian Cardassians and Bajorans... It's all BS claptrap nonsense, essentially imposed by the necessity of using human actors since nothing else was available.

@Knixon said:

But right in that "speech" it says the baby was REMOVED after 9 months, "premature" by Vulcan standards.

And let's remember, not only did Humans and Vulcans supposedly interbreed in Trekverse, but so did Humans and Romulans, Humans and Klingons, Reptilian Cardassians and Bajorans... It's all BS claptrap nonsense, essentially imposed by the necessity of using human actors since nothing else was available.

I agree. Within the Star Trek Universe I'll accept a lot up to 2005, while trying to survive the agony of conflicting or confusing narratives. To avoid the insanity after 2005 I sometimes seek the vacuousness of Schrodinger's Cat's box.