This series had SO much potential. The era, production design, the music, how could it miss?
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στις 20 Ιούνιος 2018 στις 11:10 ΕΊΜΑΙ
I think he was likable but the problem was he was too much of a loser. Every episode they made us think he was on the verge of a breakthrough that never materialized. You can't have a protagonist who constantly loses like he did. It's frustrating and masochistic.
All I wanted him to do was discover punk rock but instead he proved to be little more than a complete f( )ckup.
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στις 20 Ιούνιος 2018 στις 08:20 ΜΜ
Did I say it was?
Thanks for the link but I'm old enough to have known actual punks and skinheads.
I know what a protagonist is as per my proper usage of the word in my prior post.
Sigh... yes, sometimes the antagonist is the protagonist themselves. I'm not 12 years old, thanks.
That was exactly the problem for many in the audience. But some of us liked him and were hopeful he would DO "something" besides be a huge f( )ckup in every episode.
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στις 21 Ιούνιος 2018 στις 02:21 ΕΊΜΑΙ
I have a very good idea (that I put forth here already). With ALL that luxurious 70's production design, & that cast, who could not fall in love with that show unless the writing was deficient, and in the way I described?
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στις 16 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 12:02 ΕΊΜΑΙ
Richie was not only a fuck up but a major POS who backstabbed the closest people to him. I think this is why the audience just couldn't deal with it. To me, the final straw was the shit he pulled in Vegas. After that, I really couldn't care less what happened to the guy or the story. I too had high hopes for this show. I loved the music and the unfolding of the different genres that we know later became huge including disco, hip-hop, and of course punk.
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στις 16 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 03:37 ΜΜ
Yeah, you can only give a protagonist so many flaws. Right up to the end though I really wanted him to make some kind of a breakthrough, and I always assumed he was going to discover or bring punk to the masses.
That really seemed like the direction it was going in so possibly they were just taking too long to get there and lost their audience.
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στις 16 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 06:52 ΜΜ
I think you are right, that was exactly the direction it was going. I think they were trying to convey that to have such a brilliant ear for music as Richie had you kinda had to be a bit assholish. Certainly to be able to see the magic of punk rock when traditionally the musical talent was sub-par to even an average rock ' roll band of the era. Richie understood that it wasn't just the musical talent that made rock n' roll sell, it was the attitude. Punk made not have been the next level in musical talent but it certainly was the next level in attitude. This was something Julie couldn't see as he was just concentrating on the musical talent, not the attitude.
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στις 16 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 08:07 ΜΜ
I didn't even consider that, but that makes a lot of sense.
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στις 16 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 10:17 ΜΜ
The Tony Soprano character was more better developed than the Richie Finestra character in the fact that we see Tony have weaknesses that a lot of people can relate to. He has anxiety issues. He goes to a shrink. Both of which are big no-nos in the mafia world as it is looked upon as both unmanly and a fatal flaw that could unseat their entire operation. We also see him as a family man dealing with domestic issues most of us deal with. No, The Sopranos was a much better-crafted show, at least the first few seasons. I would argue that the last few seasons it was running on fumes including the dismal finale but the character development in that show beat the pants off of Vinyl. It was a shame too because I thought Vinyl had a wonderful cast, all very talented sans perhaps Wilde but we know that Hollywood trope. Most pretty people in Hollywood can't act for shit so it was expected.
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στις 17 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 09:28 ΕΊΜΑΙ
I would argue that Tony was more of a sociopath than a psychopath that is his behavior was learned and not intrinsic. Psychopaths are damaged from the get-go and there really is no treatment for them. A sociopath can unlearn his dog eat dog behavior albeit very difficult but it can be done. Of course, we see at the end of the show when he uses the car accident as an opportunity to murder Christopher that he is who is and there is no changing him. BTW I hated the ending of that show.
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στις 17 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 04:42 ΜΜ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dv8zJiggBs&t=557s
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στις 17 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 09:18 ΜΜ
Yes, its all very confusing which is why people have to go to school for years to be able to call themselves Dr. in the field. The point I was trying to make was the difference between a socio and a psycho and really a psycho is doomed to commit atrocities. I do remember encountering children growing up that although I could not give a professional assessment (obviously) , that the child was just way too young to have been able to have learned such heartless behavior. Such as cruelty to animals or completely self-centered and a complete lack of empathy.
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στις 17 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 10:00 ΜΜ
I don't know. They really are very much still in the dark when it comes to mental health. We are barely above witch doctors, truth be told. I remember when they used to diagnose homosexuals as a mental condition and that is now thoroughly been debunked.
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στις 17 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 10:09 ΜΜ
Wow really? I remember growing up and thinking it would be an absolute nightmare to be a celebrity. Everyone always looking at you, judging you, waiting for you to fuck up. Oh gosh, the pressure was just too much to bear!
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στις 17 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 10:28 ΜΜ
Wow, that story has really stuck with you. That experience must have made a huge impression on you. To remember something with such detail from such an early age.
The Jane Fonda story. You see, this is what I think that trust fund baby Tucker Carlson suffers from. He has no idea what it is like to struggle and doesn't have the mental capacity to honestly emphasize with people. At least Fonda had a heart and had the GUTS to emphasize with the Vietnamese people who were getting their babies napalmed by OUR military. People used to hate her guts for that and she was right all along.
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στις 18 Δεκέμβριος 2018 στις 12:25 ΜΜ
Lucky you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxDsMz1XkQs